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    I'm using ACDSee Pro 8, and I'd like to know if the below is happening in ACDSee Pro/Ultimate 9 - can someone test it and let me know? Thanks.

    In Manage mode, if you right-click on an image, select Metadata / Copy... (leave the default copy selections), and then right-click another image and select Metadata / Paste, you might notice that the EXIF Date/Time Original value changes in the target image. It will change if the IPTC data field Date Created contains a value.

    The EXIF Date/Time Original field is probably one of the most important data values in a photo, and I think it being altered in this way is incorrect.

    Note: The IPTC Date Created can be set manually, or by making a change to the EXIF Date/Time Original. Once IPTC Date Created has a value, ACDSee adjusts these IPTC and EXIF data fields together to keep them in sync.

  • #2
    I'm still using version Pro7 and it seems to work fine here. I changed the IPTC data with XnView, because I didn't found a way to change the date with ACDSee. The EXIF date/time is still there after copying the metadata.

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    • #3
      Robert
      Doesn't overwrite DTO in Ult 9.
      Sam

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      • #4
        Thank you for the responses.

        I'll move to 9 when it’s a little more robust (i.e. less buggy).

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        • #5
          I've just tested copying IPTC metadata from one image to another in ACDSee Ultimate 9, and it does indeed change the EXIF Date/Time Original of the target image to the IPTC Date Created of the source file.

          To see the result immediately after doing the copy, select the target file and run the function: Tools / Metadata / Rebuild Thumbnails and Metadata.

          I think this is a serious problem.

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          • #6
            Hi Robert,

            I might confuse you more than help you. I discovered the missing IPTC data a few days ago and was flipping out. I figured it was getting wiped out when I used a quick little utility called Faststone Capture. Sometimes I use that just to look at a pic real quick and I'm not going to do any editing.

            The IPTC data is still there!!! We owe this discovery to a Windows Explorer replacement program that I use and dearly love. It has it's own external viewer for images, music, movies, etc. I was looking into trying to restore my pics from an old backup and was using this program to view all my pic folders. When I pulled up a folder that I knew was a problem, the external viewer displayed all the IPTC data!!! I was so relieved to discover the IPTC info is indeed still there. ACDsee just doesn't display it. I downloaded a trial version of Lightroom just to confirm it. Best I can tell, all of it is still there. But I have about 6,000 pics, so I can't be sure there is no IPTC data that is gone.

            My IPTC data isn't gone because of any of the things you suspect, because I haven't done any of those things. So what is the culprit???

            In my case there are two possible causes. I installed a trial version of Ultimate 9 and used it for about a month. Didn't do any editing, just feeling my way around and I didn't care for it. But I browsed and pulled up several images.
            Then I uninstalled that and bought ACD Pro 8. I've not done any editing or even cataloged yet. But again, I did lots of browsing and pulled up several pics. I have probably about 200-250, maybe more images that have NO IPTC DATA displayed in Pro 8. I even reinstalled ACD Pro 2.5 to see if it had the problem too. Same issue - it displays no IPTC data.

            So best I can tell, if you just OPEN a photo in ACDsee Ultimate 9 or Pro 8, it zaps the IPTC data from ACDSee. I wish I knew which version caused the problem - or if both of them have the bug.

            Truthfully, I haven't cared nearly as much for ACDsee since Pro 5. I still like Pro 2.5 better. ACDSee has added many features, but it's such a resource hog with the last few years versions.
            But I have so much time and effort spent in using the ACD categories and ratings, I don't want to change to a different photo manager and lose all of that.

            Don't laugh - but I've kept Pro 2.5 on my PC - Windows 10 64bit - and it runs error free most of the time. I plunked down some bucks for Pro 8, and eventually I'm sure I'll have to migrate my ACD metadata to PRO 8. I'll be calling on you guys when I decide to take the plunge.

            I hope we can pinpoint the problem program(s) very soon. Meanwhile, I'm not going to be using Pro 8.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
              ACDsee just doesn't display it [all the IPTC data].
              Sometimes you need to force ACDSee Pro/Ultimate to pull in the IPTC data from the image file. Select the images that are not showing all the IPTC data, then from the menu run: Tools / Metadata / Rebuild Thumbnails and Metadata. The IPTC data should now be displayed. For some files you might have to re-run the utility.

              I found that ACDSee Pro 7 would randomly deleting IPTC keywords when adding new keywords, but this was fixed in ACDSee Pro/Ultimate 8, and still appears to be good in version 9. For me, ACDSee Pro/Ultimate 8 is more stable that 9, and also has less bugs in the parts of it that I use i.e. Develop Mode, Manage Mode, and View. I read on this forum that an update to version 9 will be coming soon.

              The IPTC data that is lost when exporting a developed image, is the data that has been added after the development process was started, so if no new IPTC data has been added since starting the development process, and the image is batch exported, everything will work fine. Add one new keyword, and then run the batch export, you will see that keyword will be missing from the exported image.
              Last edited by Robert Linsdell; 03-14-2016, 06:40 AM.

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              • #8
                I know this is an old thread, but I have had a similar problem with ACDsee ultimate 2020. What is happening is that it is copying the date created from the metadata I am copying it from and replacing the IPTC date created. Since some software looks there first, it causes problems. I just deleted the IPTC date created from the files in question, but this is still an annoying problem.

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                • #9
                  hedrickbk


                  Your post encouraged me to look at the current situation in U2021.

                  The choices in Tools->Metadata->copy, or Right click->Metadata->Copy (GPS Coordinates/IPTC/ACDSee Metadata) gives the inkling that this process does NOT include EXIF metadata and that is the case.

                  The table below shows the dates shown by both Windows 10 Pro 2004, and ACDSee Ultimate 2021, for two ex camera JPG's (Image 1 and Image 2) as they are following the transfer from a Samsung S20 smart phone to a Windows 10 folder via ACDSee's Mobile Sync, and then those dates for Image 2 after a metadata copy from Image 1.

                  The dates highlighted in yellow are the only dates for image 2 that have been changed by process of copying the metadata from image 1 to Image 2.
                  The Modified date/time change is not a copy of that from the source image, but rather just an update of the timestamp indicating when the paste was made.
                  So what I'm seeing here is that only the Database Date/time in the destination image has been changed to that of the source image.

                  Note that in the ACDSee Metadata Tab, the IPTC field for Date Created is not shown in the default display arrangement, you have the select the ALL IPTC option to see it. It is however by default NOT assigned for ex camera images (and that applies to both JPG and all the RAW images I have)

                  The help file gives further information about the IPTC Date Created, see https://help.acdsystems.com/en/acdse...PTC%20Date%20C

                  As per the help information, if you choose to set the IPTC date/Time manually, that will automatically change the Exif Date/Time Original. A subsequent Copy->Metadata/
                  Paste Metadata will copy the IPTC date/time to the destination image, BUT does NOT update its EXIF Date/Time Original so the IPTC, EXIF and consequently the File Created date/times will not match.

                  It hasn't been an issue for me, because I have never chosen to set the IPTC Date created, but I can see it would be an issue to be aware of if you do, and it should perhaps be addressed in an update at some stage.

                  Click image for larger version  Name:	Date-Time stamps.jpg Views:	0 Size:	372.2 KB ID:	54602

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                  • #10
                    To my knowledge "file created", "file modified" and "file accessed" in AC should always be identical to the matching file properties shown the explorer. In fact AC immediately reflects changes to these dates and updates it's view if they get altered outside of AC.

                    However, your table shows different value for "Image 2". I wonder why. Are you at UTC+1?

                    BTT. I found copy/paste metadata by AC much to grainy for me and since many years I use exiftool instead.
                    Here's a sample for descriptive tags:

                    >exiftool.exe -overwrite_original -tagsfromfile %source% -XMP-dc:Subject -XMP-photoshop:Headline -XMP-dcescription [email protected] %targets%

                    This is started as external editor by a script that uses the first given filename as source and all following file names as targets.

                    I've set up several scripts that copy dates, descriptions, locations, ...

                    The downside of external editors still is, that it lacks support for long lists of files. In my environment it supports up to 35 target files.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Emil View Post
                      To my knowledge "file created", "file modified" and "file accessed" in AC should always be identical to the matching file properties shown the explorer. In fact AC immediately reflects changes to these dates and updates it's view if they get altered outside of AC.

                      However, your table shows different value for "Image 2". I wonder why. Are you at UTC+1?
                      Yes. Image 2 was taken in August. (UTC + 9:30) The table was made on the day of the post where we are locally now on Daylight Savings time (UTC + 9:30 +1).
                      Last edited by Greyfox; 12-08-2020, 06:13 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Emil

                        Just to clarify the UTC+1 situation.
                        I had Windows 10 Pro "Date+Time" setting for "Adjust for daylight saving time automatically" set to ON. If I set it to OFF, which makes the task bar time show as an hour earlier than it should in our summer period, the ACDSee U2021 shows exactly the same time for both created and modified as the Windows explorer properties. The change of this setting has no effect on on the Windows explorer historic file times (and in my view neither it should) but does effect the ACDSee historic file times (which in my view it shouldn't).

                        So as I see it, something that should be addressed.

                        Incidentally, it occurs with all files taken when daylight savings was not in effect, not just image 2.

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