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  • Mike Hardisty
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    I had another email from support and this is what they say

    "Loading the full, high resolution raw image takes a while, so we load smaller versions first just so you can start working instead of looking at a blank screen.

    We don't do any default noise removal, but do apply some sharpening by default, mostly in an attempt to match the sharpening found in the jpeg version of the image. This can be changed by the user though.

    If you don’t want this you can simply adjust the amount to zero and then use the gear for that section to save it as the new default sharpening"

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  • Mike Hardisty
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    It's taken a while but I've had a reply from the sipport team. They requested I send them a RAW file so they could check if there was a problem. They were able to reproduce the issue I reported and the case has now been sent to QA for further investigation.

    I've asked for further updates so if I hear anything more I'll get back to you.

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  • Mike Hardisty
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    Thank you for the file and the explanation. The whole process on opening happens so fast that I cannot see the "embedded.jpg" message, just a very brief flash of of something on the screen. With regards to my video. I can see the RAW file with all the noise and then it looks like AC corrects the noise with the default develop settings. I don't want that noise corrected automatically, I want to correct it myself.


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  • Emil
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    The video shows pretty normal behaviour of AC to me.

    Here's a zip file that shows what's going on. It contains a developed raw file from my old D700. But all JPEGs, embedded in the raw and the side cars, are replaced with different images that show their location. Unpack the zip into a temp folder and open the raw in AC. It most likely will first display an image with the text "embedded jpg", then flip to display the original raw and at last apply the default development settings.

    Do not edit/develop the file and save because this would destroy the side cars.

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  • Mike Hardisty
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    Originally posted by Emil View Post
    Could we see this video too? Maybe we find a clue.
    It's only a short video stored on OneDrive, I couldn't post it directly here. Have a look about 8-12 seconds in, especially on the blue floor. You will see the file load, then a lot of noise on the floor and then it is corrected

    https://1drv.ms/v/s!Algtqj2ELIkj3GkX2JoFZfp6aorH

    Just as an update, support have asked me for the original RAW file which I sent them last night about 11 pm UK time

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  • Edvard
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    Use this button to select how the picture will be displayed in the view mode.

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  • Emil
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    Could we see this video too? Maybe we find a clue.

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  • Mike Hardisty
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    I emailed support about this on Sunday night 6:39 pm UK Time, even included a video showing the adjustments happening. To date, other than the canned "thank you, ete, etc" I have heard nothing from Support.

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  • SCX
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    Originally posted by Hinfrance View Post
    This is really annoying me. With my Pentax DSLRs the internal RAW processing done by ACDSee is not an issue, but for my compact Olympus TG-4 the RAW images are to all intents and purposes wrecked - they lose contract and an astonishing amount of sharpness to such a degree that the accompanying camera processed jpg is better. They are just dull and blurry. Please ACDSee give us a way to if not actually turn off this ghastly pre-processing at least the tools to make adjustments to it.
    I think the problem here might be the camera. Compact cameras often need a lot of tuning to deliver good images, which ACDSee can't recreate for every model of every brand. You probably need to create a preset for this camera.

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  • Edvard
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    Each fresh RAW has attached jpg tumbnail. This is shown in viev mode if you so choose. When you switch to Develop mode after a few seconds (depending on the speed of the PC) show pure raw as it ACD decode.

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  • Hinfrance
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    This is really annoying me. With my Pentax DSLRs the internal RAW processing done by ACDSee is not an issue, but for my compact Olympus TG-4 the RAW images are to all intents and purposes wrecked - they lose contract and an astonishing amount of sharpness to such a degree that the accompanying camera processed jpg is better. They are just dull and blurry. Please ACDSee give us a way to if not actually turn off this ghastly pre-processing at least the tools to make adjustments to it.

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  • Glen Barrington
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    I don't think you CAN eliminate that tiny bit of pre processing, and to my knowledge, none of the major raw development programs allow you to turn it off. (I repeat, to my knowledge! It's been a while since I've used Lightroom or CaptureOne ). It is this bit of pre processing that fans of one software over another gush about how great their raw files look 'without any processing' with program "Xxx".

    As near as I can tell, it is a tiny bit of sharpening, and maybe a bit of contrast overall. It doesn't appear to be anything you would NOT do to a photo with, say, the Raw Presharpener in the NIK tools. I suspect the situation where the modern raw developers do this for us, is why so many new NIK users are so confused by the inclusion of the NIK presharpener.

    Look at the screen print I attached below. The one on the right,is a raw photo converted to Tif prior to raw conversion. The on the left is the same image AFTER being sent to the raw developer tab and an immediate save. As you can see the post raw image is a bit sharper and with a bit more contrast. This is a very minor difference. I'd bet that if you did this same test with Lightroom, CaptureOne, or DXO, you would find the differences much greater.

    You might find a blog article I wrote on the differences between ACDSee Ultimate 8 and the Olympus viewer software interesting. See it here

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    Last edited by Glen Barrington; 01-29-2017, 12:10 PM.

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  • Trevor
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    In develope mode I have set some presets on some of the options; like adding a certain amount of sharpening.
    So these settings are performed as soon as I enter develope mode with any "fresh" RAW file.
    Quite useful as a starting point.
    I guess you have set all those presets to zero.
    Last edited by Trevor; 01-29-2017, 10:47 AM.

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  • jpmccormac
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    Originally posted by Mike Hardisty View Post
    I thought it was lens correction at first so I turned it off. Thanks for trying. I might try and screen capture what is happening and pass it onto support tomorrow.
    I'm curious about this also. Let us know if/when you get a response from the support team.

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  • Mike Hardisty
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    I thought it was lens correction at first so I turned it off. Thanks for trying. I might try and screen capture what is happening and pass it onto support tomorrow.

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