Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

xmp- and original-files in hidden directory???

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • xmp- and original-files in hidden directory???

    When my ACDSee crashed tonight and the file I was working on disappeared mysteriously I've searched for it. And found something strange: The File was still there but it was hidden. Okay that might be due to the crash, but what really puzzled me: In every directory was a hidden Subdirectory "[Originaldateien]" (= Original files). For each File I've worked on with ACDSee there is a copy of the Original File and the xmp-File in this Directory ….

    I don't know if there is anything wrong in my configuration but that is absolutely stupid. 1st it costs lots of Space. My Archive is already getting near 4 TB - if ACD doubles every file ….

    So far my understanding of nondestructive working was: The Original file stays as it is. The Changes are stored in a database or a xmp-file.

    But ACD saves the "destructed" files and hides the original together with the xmp-file in a hidden directory? Doesn't make sense to me. And is pretty dangerous. In case you change or clean up the storage you might easily loose the hidden Informations …

    To say the least, I don't feel comfortable with that … anyone has a soothing answer?

    Kind regards,
    Conrad

  • #2
    Conrad

    If you read the help file https://help.acdsystems.com/en/acdse...Highlight=save it will give you an understanding of the various methods of saving files in ACDSee. Some methods use xmp sidecar files, some don't.

    The saving of the [originals] allow for the use of the "Restore to original" option. There are times when changes don't work out to be what we thought we wanted.

    If you refer to the help file https://help.acdsystems.com/en/acdse...nced%20filters
    you will see that you can choose to have the [Developed] and [Originals] folders and files, and the xmp files show or not show in ACDSee's Folders tree.

    When you opt to use any Asset Management system, it can only do its job if you let it manage. As part of that management ACDSees keeps xmp files linked to their parent files, and maintains the [Originals] and [Developed] folders and files. If you opt to copy, delete or move files outside of the control of the asset manager, those links can be lost, and orphan folders and file entries can be left in the database.

    If you don't want to generate these management files, and you don't want to be able to come back later and tweak any changes you have made to images, then simply make your changes and use the export dialog to export a copy of the edited files with a different name, or with a suffix, in what ever format your choose, and leave the original source file unchanged.

    Hope that helps.

    Comment


    • #3
      Thank you Greyfox and @Emil

      and my apologies for answering pretty late.

      The Links have been really helpful for the understanding of how ACDSee works - but sorry to say that, I still feel very uncomfortable. Every Program has it's good and bad sides. I don't agree, that it is a good idea, to leave everything up to ACDSee. And I definitely don't like systems that try to hide too much - especially a rather laborious way of faking "non destructive working".

      I've chosen ACDSee as a raw-developer and Photo Editing Software. I don't like the idea, that it is forcing me into Asset-Managing. In this regard Lightroom was much better. Of course there are other respects that made me quitt LR – but seems I have to keep on searching or accepting these disadvantages of ACDSee – we'll see.

      Emil : My Quarantine Files are empty.


      Comment


      • #4
        If you don't need asset management (DAM) then Gemstone might be a better option. It's basically Develop and Edit modes without DAM. I for one have learned to appreciate an original saved that follows wherever you may move the edited version. It comes pretty handy at times and simplifies what I used to have to do manually.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Conrad View Post
          ...I've chosen ACDSee as a raw-developer and Photo Editing Software. I don't like the idea, that it is forcing me into Asset-Managing.
          ACDSee is primarily Asset Manager software with (depending on version) RAW development and Photo Edit capability. If you don't want Asset Management, then it might not be the best choice for you. As Regor250 has suggested ADCSee's Gemstone is one alternative and there are others (for instance Affinity Photo) that provides both RAW development and Layer editing without any asset management..

          If you spend some time though with ACDSee's asset management system, I'm sure you will grow to appreciate its considerable advantages.


          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Greyfox View Post
            If you spend some time though with ACDSee's asset management system, I'm sure you will grow to appreciate its considerable advantages.
            Thank you Regor250 and Greyfox

            What I need is an alternative to Lightroom. I hope I find some time to take a closer look at Gemstone, but not sure - at first sight it seems to be rather an alternative to Photoshop.

            What I still don't understand, why does ACDSee Ultimate waste so much Diskspace. Just found a simple eyample. A few weeks ago I've brightend up a few snapshots from a class reunion. 20 jpgs original size 28 MB. The finished pictures took 92 MB + the original file in the hidden directory, that adds up to more then four times of the original space. And, no layers, just some trimming, brightning, redeye reduction, no big deal. I'd bet Lightroom would not have needed 10 MB aditional space to save the changes ...

            Comment


            • #7
              Conrad

              How you choose to save images in ACDSee is entirely up to you. If you are working with JPG's you can "Export" an "edited" JPG at what ever quality setting you want. You don't have to save your individual changes in a non destructive manner so they can be tweaked later if you don't want to. You don't have to have the [Originals] folder. You can make your changes and Export the changed JPG's at what ever level of compression you are happy with, and that even allows you to have the exported file size less than that of the original (trading off higher compression against reducing quality).

              Comment


              • #8
                I want to edit my photos and also see this edited version in Acdsee (in Manage view).
                So my only option is to "Save". The original file is then moved to the hidden folder (original file) and the edited version comes to the original file path.
                On the one hand, a lot of storage space is required here. One file is originally 5.7MB and the edited version (just using the Saturation slider in the Develop module) is 10.8MB.
                So almost twice the size!
                Everyone can then calculate the size to which their image archive will grow (image archive x2).
                Apart from this way of working, there is another disadvantage for me.
                I use other software that also works with catalogs and accesses the same folder structure.
                If I now work with Acdsee and the original jpg file is moved to the "Original File" folder, my other software can no longer find the file because the storage location is no longer correct/existing (the edited Acdsee version is then displayed in On1, since the file name is still the same).
                Last edited by peter09; 04-29-2022, 06:30 AM.

                Comment


                • #9
                  The [Originals] exist to be able to return to your original file at any time within AC. If you are sure you don't need this original file any more you may select your edited file in AC and go to "Process - Commit Changes" in the main menu or the context menu. This will delete the original file.

                  If you want to commit changes for all files you may use the search pane and search for all "image edited" files. Then select all found files and invoke "Commit Changes". However, I guess in your case the search will also find lots of orphans 😁

                  Originally posted by peter09 View Post
                  If I now work with Acdsee and the original jpg file is moved to the "Original File" folder, my other software can no longer find the file because the storage location is no longer correct/existing (the edited Acdsee version is then displayed in On1, since the file name is still the same).
                  Mounting a Formula 1 engine into a DeLorean will also need a few additional changes . . . You should use one DAM; using several is belt plus braces.

                  Last edited by Emil; 04-29-2022, 10:44 AM.

                  Comment

                  Working...
                  X